ellisonOne of the questions that continues to plague Apple is whether or not the company can survive without the leadership of Steve Jobs. Oracle CEO Larry Ellison doesn’t have high hopes for the Cupertino-based company.

Ellison, who was a close friend of Jobs, was asked about what he sees in the future of Apple by Charlie Rose in an interview for CBS This Morning.

“Well, we already know,” Ellison said. “We saw — we conducted the experiment. I mean, it’s been done. We saw Apple with Steve Jobs. We saw Apple without Steve Jobs. We saw Apple with Steve Jobs. Now, we’re gonna see Apple without Steve Jobs.”

By way of demonstration, Ellison drew an upward trending graph in midair with his index finger whenever Jobs was in power which then plummeted as soon as Jobs left power.

While Ellison is down on Apple’s prospects, it’s worth noting that the company is in a different position now than it was after Jobs’s original ouster. Tim Cook and his leadership team are all veterans of Jobs’s Apple. Whether or not that’s enough to continue to propel the company forward remains to be seen, but I think they have a better chance than John Sculley and Gil Amelio did.

Watch a preview of the interview here. The rest of Ellison’s interview will air this morning.

UPDATE: CBS has posted the full interview, embedded here.

When asked about Oracle’s ongoing feud with Google, Page showed significant disdain for the company’s use of Java tools for building Android apps.

Ellison: Let me be very clear. When you program–when you write a program for the Android phone, you use the Oracle tool, you use the Oracle Java tools for everything, and then at the very end you press a button that says convert this to Android format. We don’t compete with Google. We don’t do anything Google does, we just think they took our stuff, and that’s a separate issue.

Rose: But you think they’re evil?

Ellison: I think what they did was absolutely evil.

Rose: And you blame Larry Page?

Ellison: 100 percent Larry Page.

Rose: So if what they did is evil, that makes Larry Page evil.

Ellison: No, it makes what he did evil, which is quite different.

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  • http://www.extendedresults.com/ Patrick Husting

    Larry is evil too

  • Jurassic

    Some news for Larry Ellison… Steve Jobs was CEO of Apple, he had great ideas and he was a great presenter… But he did NOT design, engineer, or oversee production of Apple’s products!

    Those things were done by Jonathan Ive, Bob Mansfield, and Tim Cook, respectively. And do you know what, Larry? Those same people are still at Apple producing innovative new products (sorry to burst your over-inflated bubble ;-))

    Just because the CEO of a large tech company says something about another company, doesn’t automatically mean it’s not a moronic statement.

    Remember that in 2007, after the introduction of the first iPhone, Steve Ballmer laughed at it and said that no one will buy the iPhone. I wonder if he is still laughing about the iPhone today, or if he is thinking more about the Zune, Kin, and Surface. ;-))

    In fact there are many more instances of high-tech CEOs saying stupid things, than intelligent things… and those things always come back to haunt them later.

    • David

      Well, the thing Jobs was good at is focus. He bet the company’s fate several times on just one horse. That does not just include saying “yes” to good ideas, it also includes saying “no” to a lot of ideas that are also good. Part of his magic was that he was able to make the company believe in him and rally behind these very narrowly focused products.

      They don’t have any CEO nowadays who can tell a board “let’s put all our eggs in one basket. Trust me” and go through with that. So part of his magic was a self-fulfilling prophecy. He could do miracles as long as people were convinced he could do miracles.

      Nobody thinks that of Cook.

  • http://www.christopherbudd.com Christopher Budd

    The more I hear about people worrying about innovation and Apple post-Jobs the more I think they’re not framing the discussion quite right.

    Jurassic makes the point that others still there are innovative and that Jobs didn’t “design, engineer, or oversee production of Apple’s products. I’m given to understand that Jobs was more hands-on than that, but certainly the underlying point that he wasn’t solely responsible for their products and other hands are still there is a fair one.

    This is why I think the concern isn’t being framed correctly. What Jobs absolutely did do and is gone now is his particular ability as a leader to take the works of those others and see them transformed from good ideas into something they could effectively and successfully sell.

    It’s more accurate to talk about concerns around the ability of Apple’s leadership to drive effective innovation to successful products.

    • SPM

      Apple is run by lawyers and politicians nowadays, and the phone’s design and engineering is too. Apple’s innovations are all about who you can sue for what to get an injunction.

      Apple’s “innovations” are a little old as well. Compared with Samsungs 21st century tech patents, Apple is pitting its stone age innovations like rectangles with rounded corners and finger gestures which have been around from the same period, and are relying on old fashioned corruption, sorry Presidential lobbying and campaign contributions, to get injunctions against Apple for infringing on Samsung’s patents vetoed.

  • panacheart

    I think Larry is losing his marbles. His paranoid delusional interview was good entertainment. Can’t wait to see the whole thing.

    • SPM

      I can definitely see a God complex developing there. Google is evil because Oracle can’t get any legal jurisdiction to say that Oracle doesn’t own all of God’s creation (which by definition is all in the public domain), which by virtue of the fact that he is God is all his. Google can of course get forgiveness for this this evil by serving a penance in the form of monetary contributions (as in medieval practice) to the Church of God (also known as Oracle).

      The guy needs psychiatric help and some strong medication in my opinion.

  • FOSSrules

    What Larry neglected to mention is that Sun, which created Java and its tools, gave it away freely. Sun published the API’s. Google did a clean-room implementation of the libraries that Google needed for Android that conformed to those API’s. Larry’s acquisition team looking at Sun gave Larry bad advice in telling him that they could effectively make Java private and make Oracle beeellions of dollars with onerous licensing fees. Uh, ooops. Larry’s Rick Perry moment.

    • panacheart

      nice addition to the article. thanks.

  • Your friend

    Larry, you should do your homework. Google rewrote an entirely new implementation that adheres to the API, which was published freely by Sun. The only gaffe was that Google accidentally distributed 9 small test-files to developers (used for testing compilation), which never made it into the actual phones. The files belonged to Sun, but it was not with intent, nor was there anything in those files that could make money or an operating system. Yet, you claimed that it cost you several billion dollars. Dude, go hang out with John McAfee.

    • Joe Hacker

      You forgot rangeCheck:

      private static void rangeCheck(int length, int fromIndex, int toIndex) {
      if (fromIndex > toIndex) {
      throw new IllegalArgumentException(
      “fromIndex(” + fromIndex + “) > toIndex(” + toIndex + “)”);
      if (fromIndex length) {
      throw new ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException(toIndex);

      Surely that’s worth a few billion?

  • James

    Ha ha ha, the devil talking about evil.
    Treats, extorts and exploits it’s own customers, shareholders and partners and says other companies are evil.

  • James

    And he seems into the Job’s church, Haven’t Apple deprecated and lately banned JAVA? (that explains the Apple statement).
    And Adobe should be considered evil too because Flex uses Java for the Flex compiler too.

  • suezz

    he did nothing for java except buy sun

    who is he to say what larry page does or doesn’t do.

    again he did nothing for java except try to make himself rich from it and make it proprietary

    wish he would just go live on whatever island he bought and get out of the IT world.

  • vexorian

    What “Oracle Java tools” ? Oracle had nothing to do with the creation of Java. The tools distributed by Sun to develop in Java are and remain free to use, with a big part of it being open source even. And Oracle cannot retroactively make them stop being that just because they bought Sun.

    Android does re-implement Java’s APIs, but APIs are not and should never be copyrightable. It would be the absolute lowest point for US’ legal system if they were.

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